OH MY!! James Gunn Gets Candid On Superman Drama, Batman Struggles, & X-Men Movie CONFIRMED!!
well hello there Reject Nation this is going to be
a thick one today thick one we’re going to have to be efficient concentrate connect it’s going to be
vibrant uh we got a lot to go through so here’s a little taste there’s chapters you can hop around
through james Gman talking a lot about Superman uh he’s getting very candid about you know some of
the controversy some of the Batman difficulties there’s so many quotes we got to go through this
is slowly becoming the second DC Studios podcast superman box office projections currently uh F1
28 years later a lot of you guys have been asking about that what we do is we put out a Patreon post
and community post so you guys really guide this uh some saw rights fantastic for Tom Cruz chapters
if you guys want to hop around and John got us to count this is episode 21 that we are filming
and we have said that the average podcast does not make it past 22 episodes so for episode 22
next week normally we upload upload these 8 am Fridays yep next week’s going to be Friday 12 PM
because I’m gonna um answer a question here from Rick Alt05 i’m curious as if to see this Real
Rejects podcast is essentially replacing the weekly live streams you used to do because it’s
pretty much the same premise only difference is you could talk directly to us in the live streams
actually there’s a variable of differences that we can go through well the first thing I want
to say is that for episode 22 we’re going to do a live stream this is going to be live multicam
live we’re going to be at a new studio hopefully it all goes according to plan our live streams
tend to not they tend to be chaotic i saw some back and forth there in the comments we get two
very different feelings when doing a live doing this in a live stream we get a such a large amount
of questions the structure is all over the place we are also feeling a sense like we got to rush
through everything that we are talking about because like there’s another question that come
another question and we appreciate and love the super chats but it’s like comes about this and
a lot of repetition comes in and we enjoy them we enjoy the chaos of it but this is allows us
to do something a little bit more formal take our time dive deeper so the conversation that we
have is very different than the conversation we have during the live stream at least the three of
us feel that very much so right which I think you would agree with that i think the live stream is
the opposite show uh I think this show is is very methodical and emotionally driven i think that
by the nature of sharing it with thousands of people becomes what is the thing what is the next
thing what is the next thing and like inevitably and it’s not because of rejectation but there
is inevitably one or two awful people in the chat that antagonize other good people and that
becomes like a throughine oh yeah we we get f it is easy to get fixed are coming in here yeah like
one person can ruin it for everybody whereas this is a place of tranquility yeah it’s very
different vibes uh we get two different feelings from it and we like the live streams
and we want to do more of them now that we’re going to have our own space but we thought to
celebrate the fact that we are we made it past the average made it past the average that’s what
we’re celebrating beating the average yeah we’re now an above average podcast so keep a lookout
for that thanks Rick all for um addressing that and before we go into the other news because of
what we talked about at the beginning of last week uh Gakolav 6241 is saying I’m honestly enjoying
the mental health chats that’s really Mental health is such an important topic and normalizing
discussion and taking care is something that needs to be discussed more well I can’t wait to show you
guys at Impact Collaborative podcast once we’re able to launch it we’re getting like a bunch
shot right now john and I is that if that’s your cup of tea you’re really going to enjoy it
but last week I was opening up about a secret addiction that I had formed to uh creatine which
apparently is very dangerous i started looking it up after a lot yeah what did that make it worse
or better it solidified my choice okay so I had my meeting with my therapist and uh before we
filmed last week I actually dumped it and I was like “All right I’m going to go I’m going to quit
i’m going to quit.” And I was seeing like “Let’s pay attention to my body.” The first couple days
it was a little hard i I couldn’t sleep my heart rate was through the roof and uh headaches but
after that um I don’t know i kind of credit it to the fact that I’m already very healthy sure
you can go through stuff way better when your body’s wanting to expun the bed yeah i sweat a lot
i drink a lot of water already and uh after that I’ve I can officially say it’s been uh one week
exactly that I have not touched anyratom and I was taking it like every single day for all this
year so yeah and and I was looking up a lot of I won’t go into the details of a lot of the affects
that it had but yeah when I was looking up videos like yeah I’m dealing with all this [ __ ] yeah
so but a week’s a good like that’s a good marker you know that’s like you know a week and then a
month and then you’re like it’s just the process now I do cocaine well yeah you said you want to
replace a vice with a vice i I feel like I’m way more engaged that’s why we can do a two-hour live
and one next week yeah because I need to swing my chair around for a bit every 30 minutes and then
swing back around sometimes you got to go a little drive right on through allergies are going crazy
this week so snippy how are you doing today though Coy how are you feeling good i uh it is We’re
filming on a federal holiday and I had a bunch of errands to run and they kept getting affected by
federal holidays yeah we don’t work normal or I had a meeting and then I did like pre-production
on another show and then I had a haircut and then I need to go to the post office and like
everything has been like and it’s just so funny that other people have time off and
that time off is causing my day on to be like stressful i’m like good for you when
I’m like standing outside the post office 100 degrees like I needed to get this out
um so I just kind of had a manic day of uh of kind of having to pivot my whole week
um I have at the present seven jobs and when one thing goes wrong it affects all of them so
with just the act of missing a mailing I have like to a change tomorrow and then Saturday
and then I’ve got to cover a lot of stuff through the weekend so I’m excited for August
12th which is my next day off congratulations that’s a long time from now you’re not wrong uh
I’m going to try to take three days off in August we talked about that and then uh I my grandpa’s
80th birthday is in September i think I’m going to go surprise him i I kind of want to I’ve
never done a thing where it’s like the fanatic about the podcast though now he knows I’m sorry i
learned a surprise that’s our main demographic 75 and up you know big fan uh but yeah I I haven’t
I’ve never done that cool family thing to like surprise someone or I’ve never selfishly bought
a flight i’ve only like traveled to see family or like done something for my fiance i’ve never
spent my money on me and I’ve been coming into that like my mental health is like I have a lot
of money trauma and a lot of trauma about like taking time off so I want to try to put those
together and be like I want you to take a trip for me and I want to surprise my grandpa because
it means a lot to me oh yeah that’d be great i want to see how my brain does that yeah i want to
see how I feel to like choose me so I’m going to try to do that in September i think that’ll be
good all right coin well I’m happy to hear that john John’s great john never has any problems john
had a birthday and he didn’t like do a thing and I’m so narcissistic that I’m still confused how I
didn’t get an invitation unless he did something and didn’t invite me in which I’m insulted
no it’s it’s actually the opposite scenario i’m like I would be so racked with guilt if I
forget anyone that I’m just like it’s too much to to process if anybody wants to find me and
celebrate I’ll happily do so that’s probably healthier cy doesn’t do anything for him but he’s
also a narcissist the irony it’s a struggle it’s a struggle living this life must conflict isn’t
it very conflicting all right well no smooth transitions here we don’t operate that way let And
that’s another thing this is more qualitative than a live live streams are one shot to end yeah 100%
and we’re also like parallel like I don’t see you guys like every so often be like Greg’s there like
it’s not like this a natural conversation for sure for sure all right let’s kick it off reviewer 04I
says the Superman box office tracking just came out a few minutes ago so this is uh your yesterday
for you guys our today it is now projected to earn $135 million during its domestic opening weekend
okay batman v Superman open at 166 man of Steel open at 116 so this is at 135 in the middle
there okay pretty solid i mean if you adjust Man of Steel for inflation it’s probably a little
bit higher but we’re at a different period then right i’m coping now cooping take the copium Greg
me acknowledging reality is coping uh but yeah but back then it was it was different like the
the excitement of what could be and there wasn’t even a conversation about superhero fatigue at
that point it wasn’t even a possibility then yeah and now it’s such a like can we sustain comic
book industry so I think this is actually a pretty good number also pre- pandemic the movie
theater beyond even superhero movies the movie theater has changed a lot of people don’t
go to the movies in the same way and like streaming has really ruined things so I I would
say that’s a solid number i I mean I I wanted to make a billion dollars that doesn’t seem like
that’s a bad number to get to that lofty goal like everybody says billion it’s so casual now
but very few movies have made a billion dollars it was a point where a billion dollars was like
a rarity and a thing to be celebrated but then we had a bunch in a row and now it’s back to being
rare but I think people remember the bunch in a row like somebody’s like “Yeah that makes a
billion dollars.” But like a billion is crazy like when The Dark Knight reached a billion
that was insane it was like the talk of the year uh so I think it still has the potential but
I do think uh this tracks between like those two that seems fair and right yeah yeah well also
it’s about the legs right yeah i think second weekend’s a bigger deal than it’s ever been for
most movies so much of the time we put emphasis on the opening weekend but second weekends can
be I love those stories more yeah that like drop off’s only 30% like that’s crazy whereas like
like Captain America opened big but then Yeah thunderbolt same thing the one that emotionally
affected me when I was younger the one that like stood out to me in my consciousness was Elf elf
like did not open well but the word of mouth was so good that it eventually climbed to number one
yeah and then it had long legs now it’s a classic fight Club bombed like Fight Club never did well
in theaters and then it found an audience in home video like a lot of good movies don’t do well but
this one doing well opening hopefully it also has good word of mouth thousand% i feel like it’ll
probably grow uh because this this seems to have that overall America appeal and worldwide appeal
like you could see people in like different states that are smaller like Michigan or some [ __ ] yeah
but they’re Michigan yeah detroit uh they’re also traveling the world with it like right now they’re
in I think Manila marketing is nuts yeah dude i’m like so excited about this summer of just like the
marketing looks more expensive than the movie it looks a lot like they’re doing a lot and like
David cut his hair he looks great so handsome love the haircut buzzcut jealous looks like I was
working out the other day fun story i was working out i was doing bench press and uh I can’t bench
that heavy before anyone says any [ __ ] oh my god and then uh as I was like doing like a a super
setting and then I see someone waiting for me and I’m and I’m like are you waiting and then a
second he’s like take your time i’m like that’s [ __ ] Sebastian Stan right there he looks great
with a musket he’s got a shaved head i was like no you can take it you can take it celebrity love
I’m leaving by dude’s strong there’s a rule at certain gyms though that you do not acknowledge
famous like Mr beast goes to the I will never say hi to famous people at the gym never it’s a
It’s kind of a unspoken rule that you will make people uncomfortable there imagine D Peter but I’m
different i’m like “Come talk to me approach me please please know that I’m known.” It happened at
a screen we went to yesterday like “I’m so sorry to bother you did it.” I’m like “Don’t say that.”
And I said to them like “We’re we’re semi popular it’s not real fame we don’t make money we make
fame anecdotes.” And anyone who’s famous from the internet and is a douche about it no respect for
that you’re famous from the internet yeah it’s a little different so go ahead and say hi i went to
a party and uh a bunch of people at the party like the the you know when you go to a party and you’re
like the elders and there’s like 20somes and now you’re like I can feel the difference the 10 years
really is different now a bunch of the youths were big uh Reax fans and it was really cool to like
have them be like oh my god don’t you do real rejects and be like this feels like when I be at a
party and there be like an actor like when I came to Hollywood so it was really special oh that’s
nice we got to stay on track today yeah focused um hey what do you guys think about this box office
does it sound like an epic failure can you spin it that way yeah of course you can cuz I didn’t make
200 million opening so it’s nothing nothing it’s his weak sauce james Gun’s weakening everything
speaking of James Gun and controversy he’s getting kind of candid about some [ __ ] here uh have
you seen any of the Rolling Stone article yeah I got some specific quotes well there’s there’s
one quote here um let’s talk about this section because it of course created an unnecessary drama
on the interphere and I’m I’m cooler talking about it now i know we’ve tied our back and forth
about whether or not how much of this we should acknowledge i’m cooler talking about it because
James Gun clearly pays attention to all of it too so I’m like well if he’s going to pay attention
I’m going to pay attention a little bit more too i wonder if he watches our show maybe that’d be
nice maybe he watches your DC Studio show that would be nice i know he watches that show yeah
he should he has to uh well okay so there’s a few things here superman vulnerability the visual
effects shot uh he said some things about Marvel and then some things about Batman we’re gonna
have to go through a lot of this stuff okay so the Superman vulnerability let’s go through this one
first there’s kind of a lot to read here there are things that I know I don’t explain that I don’t
even want to say out loud but I wanted Superman to be vulnerable i see the online things who would
beat whom homeland or Superman or [ __ ] whatever Adam Warlock or Breitbird and I’m like this is the
[ __ ] stupidest conversation like so then whoever would win this fight means that they’re the best
because I’ll just go out and write Godman who can destroy you with a wink and I win i win all the
fights forever but I didn’t want a Superman who could punch planets and also we’re creating a
whole universe now so what’s a girl with wings going to do in the face of that so he’s a little
less powerful green Lantern or Guy Gardner is pretty effing powerful they’re all pretty powerful
honestly in talking to people a lot of people are like “I like Batman better because he can actually
be beat.” And I get that so we have a Superman that can be beat so in other news he’s making
Superman a [ __ ] did you hear this fallable that’s what he is he’s a [ __ ] i don’t want to
relate to my characters super [ __ ] i want to look up to them and admire them from afar is not
Ultra Man a character uh okay so Superman has had many iterations superman has been around for 80
years plus superman is a character that I mean nearly 100 superman is a is a very longunning
character and depending on who’s writing him beyond just which decade you’re reading from
it’s going to have different level of power depending on the arc even within a writer’s long
if they’ve got a run on Superman i think the ones I personally connect to most are the ones where
it’s a character that I can identify with in any way because then you go wow this this character
that is stronger than us which he inherently is that is larger than life is still relatable and I
can connect to them wanting to be good if someone is so removed from you and they do something good
or wholesome or for the betterment but you don’t identify with them it doesn’t really affect you it
doesn’t really matter um when when people that are are very different than me make a choice I don’t
go like “What would I do?” Cuz I don’t relate to them at all so when you’ve got a character called
Ultra Man and you’ve got a character called Superman they’re not characters called Invincible
cuz spoiler alert we got that guy so I think it’s important to have there be a plausible deniability
while still being true to the character and that’s the line in the sand is whether or not it’s
true to the character if they make Clark Kent um you know fragile and make Superman even more
fragile that’s not Superman but that’s not what he’s saying so I I think this is more how I see
the character i have not seen the film as of now uh and I think that it is a very tricky thing for
James because both Man of Steel and his Superman are going to have people that argue this is
Superman and guess what that’s how opinions work because they’re both right that’s the character
yeah i mean this is a conversation that we’ve been having for a while that that’s why we like
the two opening shots that he’s done where which did create a controversy of Superman looking
like he’s been beat and hurt that makes you connect you watch a guy rise from circumstances
that are beating him down that’s the only way you really feel inspired is overcoming challenges and
what I love too is the consideration of how he’s speaking to the bigger part of the universe you
you think about Justice League and a lot of time you’re like well they have Superman superman
could take care of most of this we don’t do we really He’s as fast as Flash he’s as strong as
Aquaman super stronger than Aquaman and Wonder Woman do we really need that even even in Zack
Snider’s Justice League which I adore what happens when when they’re fighting Stephen Wolf suddenly
Superman shows up and he’s there to just taking care of him there’s a reason they had to kill him
and take him away for a long time because that’s the character because that leaves them feeling
more vulnerable to Stephenwolf in that movie that but when Superman’s around it’s not as vulnerable
of a situation because that is the Superman who could punch a planet and everything so they had
to invent kryptonite like you know what I mean like kryptonite wasn’t in the origin of Superman
it came later oh I didn’t know that really yeah it was part of the radio show kryptonite was invented
to give their context to having some adversity in the radio show so like that’s a newer not new but
like newer thing than Superman is because you need to have adversity i like the idea of vulnerability
of it being kryptonite because that’s the thing that brings them closer to home and a lot of
the times people with like trauma or weaknesses it’s the things that make you a little bit more
closer to family like sometimes people when they experience like a family trauma they disassociate
from all family because it’s a reminder so there’s kind of like this cool metaphor it was when I
was reading Birthright i sort I started picking up on on that read Superman Birthright holy crap
amazing that’s easily my favorite Superman comic I’ve read so far i got to read what’s the next one
a Superman for all seasons i can’t ever remember that title for all seasons for all seasons yeah
I want I’m going to read that next i’m going to try to power through it because I’ve been
invited on a very special podcast that I can’t announce yet but yeah I’m going to try to read it
beforehand so yeah that uh I He also couldn’t fly in the beginning oh wow superman could leap tall
buildings in a sing bound he couldn’t fly yet so these are things that people are like that’s not
Superman he evolves no no i think having a little bit of cuz he still looks insanely powerful in
the trailers he’s he’s incredibly powerful but you need you need a way to root for him as opposed
you won’t feel stakes if he’s not vulnerable at all and if it’s only he needs kryptonite then he
becomes like repetitive and I’ve always loved that Superman’s to me biggest weakness is that he’s
trying to be everywhere at once and that still sounds like this is part of it like when Superman
is knowing he’s trying to be all these things I think James is going to bring that to it yeah
okay and then the next thing he’s talking about the visual effects shot the one that when we
launched this podcast when there was a bunch of uh people shooting and wide yep people getting
mad so um I don’t exactly know what the exact question was here but I got the quote no I didn’t
think it was so much it was a TV commercial and it wasn’t a finished visual effects shot so the part
of him flying it was a photograph of his face and him flying it was a photograph of a drone flying
in front of an actual background so all the pieces were real but it was incorporated in kind of a
funky way i didn’t love the shot so it’s not even the shot that’s in the movie sometimes I’m pretty
strict about when I’m going through a trailer and looking at each of the shots and sometimes the
commercials I forget to look at this closely so that one kind of got by me coy I’ll ask your
thoughts i have thoughts but what are your thoughts uh I’m of two minds uh one you know it is
tricky to put out as much marketing as bowing down to the haters right now that’s That was my first
That was my second i was going to go no but like when you’re doing as much marketing as this film
has to uh it is tricky when that’s like your first look and that is a hard position to be in of like
I’m making this movie i’m overseeing this universe i’m writing this thing i’m working on Peacemaker
but that’s the job right now like he’s overseeing a universe while working on a bunch of projects
himself and we were talking about how that’s like a very daunting volume of like Kevin Feige doesn’t
direct kevin Feige doesn’t write like he’s he’s just the producer and that’s already too much uh
so you know this does sound like something that slipped and I’m sure that affects him like I’m
sure he’s not thrilled that a commercial came out he’s like “Oh that’s our first look.” But at
the same time I I’m very that my other thought is to me it was so clearly a wide angle lens that
when I think of like anything in movies like when you’ve got an anthropomorphic or anything that
like alters a visual it clearly like David isn’t crosseyed so like to me I was just like well yeah
they’re not done yet so like I wasn’t affected by it and that’s I remember us talking about it i was
like oh yeah not done and so this kind of tracks with what I thought happened it’s just great to
have it confirmed like I think it’s smart to say so there’s probably part of him was like I don’t
want to say I didn’t see the shot but the other part is like it wasn’t done so I get it yeah cuz
I I remember when we were talking about it that I was playing more of the opposite angle of of that
opinion of like well if you’re going to put out this first look I mean it’s really important you
nail this [ __ ] down and and if I can understand why people were kind of were not being forgiving
or giving those kind of caveats that you were just talking about what I appreciate about this is he’s
acknowledging the oversight that he had so much of the time now directors kind of this seems to be
like a war with like f the audience f sometime and sometimes things get interpreted that way
too like f the fans and that they don’t really care to acknowledge and this is the problem with
woke Hollywood that they don’t listen to to things what do the people want we’re the ticket buyers
yeah yeah exactly and with this this to me is him you know if if you’re a leader in a position like
this and you can acknowledge I don’t want to call it like a mistake but definitely an oversight
that is super that stands out to me as as an integral part of someone leading a company you
got to be able to acknowledge like yeah I kind of dropped the ball there so let me I’ll do better
next time if someone’s able to say that and say it publicly too but also in a way that doesn’t
feel like you know the the weight of the world is weighing him down just because of this one
thing that went wrong i’ve been thinking about that for 15 months yeah yeah uh I I I think that
is a good sign of of of leadership uh honestly cuz Yeah i didn’t think the shot I was at the camp
like the shot does look a little funky um even though I agree with what you were saying that I’m
like “Yeah I see that but it did look funky.” The fact that he’s able to acknowledge that maybe that
wasn’t the right call i still agree it shouldn’t have been the first shot but I like knowing why
yeah yeah it’s confirmed it’s weird it’s a shot shot shot so popular it’s not even going to be
in the movie yeah i mean that’s pro if that’s not the vision i like when a director can not
like keep it for the sake of its imagery like it’s good that it’s like I didn’t like it we don’t
have it yeah yeah yeah that’s true actually we saw 28 years later and I noticed that too there was
a really famous shot in the first trailer that is not in the movie actually yeah i loved that movie
but I I definitely like by when it end I was like wait a second there was a there was a beat what
yeah yeah there was Yeah yeah we won’t say what it is but okay that’s a fun one that’s a fun one
thanks James Gun for that do you think Superman’s a [ __ ] leave your thoughts in the comments let
us know if you think Superman’s a little pansy where’s his underwear on the outside stalling
for time as this page is loaded here we go hil 10 uh he said “Gun’s recent comments about Marvel
and his ideal version of Batman hope you guys are doing well.” Thank you so which one you want to
do first marvel quotes or Batman you call you call uh uh let’s do Batman let’s stay Let’s say
Superman batman okay so there’s two sections to the Batman side here dcu Batman Matt Reeves Batman
let’s break it down batman’s my biggest issue in all of DC right now personally and it’s not I’m
not writing Batman but I am currently working with the writer of Batman and trying to get it
right because he’s incredibly important to DC as is Wonder Woman batman has to have a reason
for existing right so Batman can’t just be oh we’re making a Batman movie because Batman’s the
biggest character in all of Warner Brothers which he is but because there’s a need for him in the
DCU and a need that he’s not exactly the same as Matt Reeves as Batman yet he’s not a campy Batman
i’m not interested in that i’m not interested in a funny campy Batman really i think I have a way in
by the way i think I really know what it’s I just am dealing with the writer to make sure that we
can make it a reality what are your thoughts Coy this is what I’ve been saying for a year um it’s
not going to be Matt Reeves Batman it’s going to be Matt Reeves universe with the Penguin and all
that world building and then a Batman where it makes sense that he could coexist with crypto
i don’t want to undermine all of the world building in the Penguin and the Batman by having
things that are so larger than life that’s the cool thing about the characters you can pick up
Detective Comics and have a tone you can pick up Batman have a tone you can pick up Batman Dark
Patterns and have a tone you can pick up Batman Superman World’s Fest and have a tone and these
are just four of the eight books that are Batman right now he is the most popular character so
you can do versions of him but I think at the same time making like a Neil Adams gray and blue
suit and make it a member of the Justice League and make him um someone that could bend reality
a bit by having him around these larger than life characters doesn’t inherently make him like Batman
66 i think a lot of people think it’s either like Nolan and Patson and that tone or B sharkin like
there’s lot between so I would love if it’s closer to you know our our reality without being farce
like I don’t want to see a spoof of Batman but I don’t think it should be the same exact David
Finchery Matt Reeves tone i think it should find a way to be something that is plausible deniability
of the world’s greatest detective that is so smart and so focused on this this vengeance that is so
focused on being the perfect human specimen he can keep up with these metahumans and I don’t think
I would buy Robert Patson’s detective take which is my favorite one of the my favorite superhero
movies of all time i wouldn’t necessarily buy him in a world where you know Hawk Girl flies by
so um I think this is the best answer and I think that him acknowledging it’s not going to be full
camp is great and a relief i never thought it was going to be but I don’t think we should put those
two worlds together personally and I think his way in is going to be making sure there’s a big enough
difference to rationalize two Batman’s but without sacrificing the vision of the DCU and I love that
he’s not coming from a place of okay he’s popular we need to make this it’s coming from a place of
what in universe what in story that I’m telling in this giant tapestry of characters makes this
character the most important right now and and you need the Holy Trinity you need Batman Superman and
Wonder Woman you need them to come from a place of the story not from your wallet i hear what you’re
saying but No but he wants to make that money come on man no I like I like what he’s saying um it it
does pose an interesting thought process though and as you were talking it’s a thought that I
actually didn’t dawn on me until right now how if you have two running Batman uh one in the DCU
and the Matt Reeves one and then in my mind I’m thinking the DCU Batman should be a little bit
more akin to like the Batman the Animated Series Batman or the Arkham Games Batman one that’s a
little bit more heightened more martial artsy like just basically Robert Patterson but heightened
more you know it seems like it would be a really easy thing to go well this is definitely the very
real world now let’s do the fantastical world but we can’t go campy so I imagine it’s a very hard
line that they have to find because whoever they put then as Batman for the DCU automatically lends
itself to a comparison to the other running Batman at that time it could very much well be like if
you have a Batman that is like an Arkham Knight one there could be audiences that are going “Well
this Batman can clearly kick Robert Patterson’s ass i’m not as interested in the Robert Patterson
one.” Or it could be the flip where you do go more fantastical or whatever and then you have a Batman
who’s really um you have a Batman who’s like you know cool technically cooler but maybe not as
appealing to audiences people don’t enjoy the performance as much and they’re like “Why’ they
do this we have Robert Patterson’s right here they should have just used Robert Patterson so
the struggle I feel is what he’s talking about of trying to crack the right code of the middle
ground this could take a very very long time like I don’t even know what the solution like
we have ideas of what they could do i’m going yeah more of like the Arkham video game side that
would probably be your easiest bet but then will that diminish the reception though of the other
running Batman elsewhere like for us it wouldn’t for audiences would it and I’m going to segue us
into like what he talked about here when he was asked about the Matt Reeves part he said it would
be a consideration we’d have to think about it we have to think about it it is not like we’ve never
discussed it i would never say zero but you just never know but it’s not likely it’s not likely at
all and it’s not canceled we don’t have a script matt’s slow let him take his time let him do what
matt’s slow it’s such a It’s just what a flipping like I’m just going to say it it’s like is that
a passive aggressive way of of being like hurry your [ __ ] up as his boss i’m going to put this
in writing yeah damn people are blaming me for what this is now let me take his time let him
do what he’s doing god people are mean let him do his thing man i don’t know what it actually
sounded like when he said it just reading it sounds really funny god people are mean let him
do his job he just sounds exhausted can you be answering the same question for like months
and people are jerks about it and and they keep saying you know people already blame him for
so much of this stuff like the Snider world not happening and all that blah blah blah and then
now they’re I think they’re passing judgment on to why the Batman Matt Reeves’ Batman universe is
taking so long to develop but it seems like when I read stuff like that it it seemed like there was
a point where there was never a consideration it and it seemed more of a flip never say never but
but now it seems as if the vibe I’m getting is that there’s a bit of a consideration because it
could it would make things easier ultimately for all all the conflict you just said is real like
all the all the levels to play i just I think it would sacrifice both a little unfortunately
right like it makes the meshing of the universes work better it makes it easier to follow for
audiences but then you got the MCU problem where you’re you’re making everything work you’re
cramming it all together where like elseorlds is a strength of DC comics and if they’re building
out an elseworld if they’re calling if they’re developing the idea of elseorlds let a strong one
that’s already started go being an Elseorld cuz as soon as you’re like “Oh it’s got to fold into
here,” then all of a sudden every movie you make should and that’s Marvel’s problem how do you feel
about that last that last comment’s like kind of tripping me out he’s he really seems like he’s
getting defensive here i I just think that like you know he’s a very candid dude and I think that
he’s just so sick i mean I’m sick of hearing this question answered i can’t imagine being so sick
of answering it like every time we talk about Matt Reeves Batman everybody’s like “It’s going to
happen.” And like that’d be This is his job he has to answer that question every day there’s probably
people in DC Studios like “Why don’t we just do it?” Yeah like I don’t know that but I assume that
if everyone saying it it’s be frustrating he’s and part of what he’s been doing as a the thing is
he has a plan as a leader for this company but you know a lot of times when things are growing
and shifting it’s like that’s why the studio is such a good show because I could see him running
into situations like that where oh [ __ ] you know I put out some messages but the reality is I
have to make a couple of sacrifices going against what I originally said I we would do he’s also a
creative that’s used to like he write directs and does his own thing so now he’s like overseeing and
like that’s a lot of pressure yeah he puts out a lot of ideas um but ideas aren’t cemented things
that they’re going to be doing and as a creative you kind of bob and weave throughout the entire
process so it’s cuz it’s a it’s a weird position to go into it’s really I don’t envy it i do not
envy it um to the Marvel points of what he was talking about over at Marvel they’ve been pretty
open about the fact that they realize what’s going wrong over the past few years they put out too
much stuff and uh longtime Marvel exec producer Luis de Espazito said that privately to me i
don’t even know if it’s really their fault they were under a corporate mandate that wasn’t fair it
wasn’t right and it killed them we don’t have that mandate at DC to have a certain amount of movies
and TV shows every year not yet James so we’re going to put every out everything that we think
is of the highest quality we’re obviously going to do some good things and some not good things
intentionally we want to do bad projects but hopefully on average everything will be as high
quality as possible nothing goes before there’s a screenplay that I am happy with and then of
course complaints complaints complaints cuz James Gun moved his lips up and down to be clear and as
is clear in the context of this interview I didn’t say it killed them like they’re over but they were
screwed by the situation they had no control over they’re on the other side of that now which is
good they sacrificed everything for streaming craze killed many good things by forcing a demand
for content that could have possibly met putting movies on TV before they had a proper theatrical
run and much more the insanity has died down balanced out everywhere thank God leave me the
[ __ ] alone you didn’t say that last sentence uh as someone who is very streaming averse um I think
this is kind of the I think Marvel represents because of how big they are the macro to a very
very big problem like sorry the micro to a very big big problem like you can zoom in on Marvel
and see a lot of the issues with the entertainment industry because they’re the big thing yeah so
I think streaming is is um often content not art i think that you need to make sure if you are a
studio making art your art should be art and not fodder and so when you’ve got mandates when you’ve
got uh certain expectations you’re already going to have all that in the nature of show business by
the nature of making a movie or a show there will be mandates there will be certain expectations
and dates and budgets to hit but when you then go okay triple your output and you don’t get the
resources to really do it when you have two movies coming out that start shooting a year apart that
are released 2 weeks apart I worry about the CGI of the one that started shooting a year later like
Fantastic 4 literally is coming out 2 weeks after the Superman movie and it didn’t start shooting
until Superman was almost wrapped that’s crazy for those visual effects artists but there’s a certain
expectation of output so I think Marvel is is learning i think they have learned i think they’re
pivoting i think Thunderbolts is great i hope that we get a great Fantastic 4 and going forward but I
think when they were trying to do characters that weren’t as wellknown because they they were
trusting in their brand um to such a level that it caused some recklessness i think when the
volume was that high I think when they didn’t have showrunners I think a lot of the things that like
other companies have too but the other companies aren’t as big like they don’t get as much press
and notice because everyone compares to Marvel i don’t disagree with his statements and I think
that it’s a really good opportunity for the DC universe to learn from the mistakes that were
made in a post everything has to go to streaming world and and selfishly as a movie theater guy
I’m glad we’re noticing because it’s been bad well something that came out today that I totally
forgot to put down in the show notes uh because you said Thunderbolts i was like “Oh yeah.”
um July 1st is that um Jake Jake Schaefer is officially confirmed as of today to be directing
the X-Men movie what yeah it’s officially confirmed today that at least that’s what I’ve
typed in and it’s looks like deadline comic book comicbook.com and apparently after 2028 they might
go back to four movies a year jack Schaefer doing X-Men is huge right that’s the uh Wait is he the
one who Thunderbolts she she Jack Schaefer did Shrier godamn Thunderbolts who’s doing it who’s
Jake Shrier is the one doing it x-men it’s a man’s face i don’t know anyone jack Schaefer
wanda division jake Shrier thunder those are remarkably several names you’re not wrong oh my
god i cuz I heard Jake was doing it name Jake Shri i heard Jack Jake was doing it and then when you
just said Jack I was like that rewrites my entire theory of everything jake Shrier of Thunderbolts
is a fantastic director very different tone uh W division obviously led to Agatha and that I would
have been like okay if a different team dynamic different blah blah blah and they’re moving on
with with other stuff like they’re still working at Marvel but Jake I think is a great choice
he was rumored for a long time he I think have you seen Thunderbolts yet uh no it’s coming on
digital uh next week okay okay well then in uh in vague terms uh the team dynamic and the idea
of trauma is very important to the X-Men so I think as directors go there is a very linear line
here of like this makes sense for this director what’s cool to me as we’ve been talking about
James Gunn is this kind of reminds me of James Gunn because The Suicide Squad did not do well
at the box office i mean for a variety of reasons and part of me is thinking too that honestly I am
wondering even if it got only a theatrical release let’s say there was no co i do wonder if it would
have really succeeded at the box office because of what happened with Suicide Squad 1 not as
well-known characters in the next one and so part of me does wonder that even though it seems like
it it’s loved but it’s not really talked about even though it’s like my favorite of that era of
DC but then he got brought on to do the bigger parts for DC yeah and same thing with Thunderbolt
thunderbolts did not break even it didn’t but it’s got reputation and that is better for long-term
success and they still tapped him to do this rewarding the art not the business great exly
that’s what reminds me of the James Gun situation what they’re paying attention to is huge so if
anything there’s kind of a big learning lesson from that the fact that the movie Thunderbolts
yeah sure it didn’t break even but people loved it and that’s what we need as a a director who
can work with this terrain you know a lot of times it’s easy to go “This movie made a lot of money
give that director it that’s not what they’re paying attention to so to your point of of like
James Gun talking about how that mandate affected everything and how Marvel’s learning this is a
sign that they are learning to me even without having seen Thunderbolts i I totally agree and I
think it’s an interesting sign timing wise of they know X-Men is the biggest brand they have right
now they’re trusting in a director even without the finances backing it that’s a really good sign
of like we know your art also means he had a great pitch means he has a vision right because you
don’t go like “Hey your movie was good and and it might have lost money you’re you can stay with
the company but here’s our biggest franchise ever it’s like okay now also what is your idea because
you’re in the house like we we we’re taking these meetings so I think that’s a great sign for
whatever Jake wants to do also really really nerdy articulate guy about the art like I I talked
to him at the I was the I I reported at the Red Carpet for the Hollywood Reporter and he and I
had a really good conversation about comics and he casually dropped like issue number references and
I was like that is rare even amongst like nerds like that’s a really impressive thing like you
clearly love it in a way so at the same time you know like there’s a difference to me when uh Russo
brothers did Winter Soldier versus working on an Avengers movie you have a lot more bigger vision
and other heads to appease in that a moment like that with all the structuring and I feel like he’s
kind of running into he might run into a similar situation with that like Thunderbolt sounds like
to me he was able to fulfill a vision he had yeah and I think X-Men I’m wondering if he will be
allowed to fulfill as much of vision as he wants i mean Marvel can’t even seem to get Blade done
you know so I’m wondering like will this really that’s my like skeptic side of of it like I see
why attaching him to do it makes perfect sense to me but when you’re dealing with X-Men and they
have to incorporate that and it changes the world now there be a meshing of multiverse whatever
the hell they’re planning on doing there’s a lot more different strings he has to work with
now of whatever that secret board meeting that Kevin Feige has in the woods or whatever it’s
also like being a showrunner cuz like you’re shaping a universe that’s going to expand into
multiple movies yeah you’re not just doing X-Men you’re doing X-Men is that going to be X-Men one
of three and then Xactor X Force Generation X like what else because they’re not going to do one
X-Men line that’s going to spread so what tone are you setting in this new leg of the entire company
also the one that Kevin Fogi is most personally invested in and also the one that has the most
brand awareness of arguably any new character also the one that is probably going to have the
most other things tying to it from Secret Wars like you’ve got the hardest job right now man
x-men movies is finally happening and that also is a big moment and what’s but that’s strange
to me it doesn’t feel like it’s taking off that piece of information i didn’t know it i typed
it in and it’s like “Yep it’s real this should be like trending this should be tren that should
have been our community post questions and our uh Patreon questions that we put out.” And I
didn’t see anything in there at least at the time of like pulling stuff i think Marvel can get
back to a good place i don’t think any Westerns never came back to scale we like westerns but
like I don’t think they’re that distant where like westerns kind of died all the way and then
came back but I do think we have to look at the superhero phases as changing and I and I do think
we’re entering a different age of comic stuff i think they’re an inevit they are positioned where
they probably have to do some type of soft reboot i I think X-Men is a new Avengers type team and I
think that’s smart i also think those are brandaw aware characters and it’s weird because it
does seem like the exact thing James Gum was talking about of that problem of that mandate that
occurred because that is what changed everything for the genre and Marvel in a not positive
way and the DCU looking so comicky and vibrant and big i feel like it’s changing things again
yeah all right well damn crazy yeah so I didn’t put that down because we didn’t get to ask any
questions about it but as we were talking like wait a minute there’s a there’s a big story here
that I forgot about so thanks for jogging my brain there jj Jones 5817 is the lack of publicity and
marketing for Iron Hart concerning for Marvel’s confidence in the project absolutely [ __ ] no
normally they Yeah normally we see the stars and Late Night and lots of commercials and promo
but it feels like they did little with Ekko just dumping it without much fanfare while Fantastic
4 continues his marketing push obviously it’s a holdover from the previous era but it seems like
we should be getting a bigger marketing push look guys uh no they want to they want you to
forget about this as soon as possible dumping it in two chunks dump it in two chunks and they and
there was reports too that I mean I had someone from Disney even tell me that it was supposed to
be like three and then 111 i heard it was 3 3 you and I had a long talk we looked it up we found
out it was 3111 and then I was like what so it was clearly like in flux and then dumped yeah
but weirdly I mean they did try something which is they had Robert Downey Jr the Good Morning
America thing clearly Robert Downey Jr did not do this of his own fition sounds to me that he was
asked and he was like “Yes.” Says “Miss Thorn in my trailer I couldn’t be happier than seeing you
bring Riri Williams to life iron Man loves Iron Hart.” I don’t know it just sounds like a man it
sounds like he was asked that he was being nice that was a little It was cute cuz it was a an
Iron Heart and it was like the the millennial Iron Heart and then she did like whatever the
Gen Z kids do and it was just funny to see the two generations and that felt like a legacy moment
between Iron Man and Iron Heart i thought it was a cute moment but it definitely was like the
Russos are like hey can you Iron Heart promo i think this will have a a separate thing from Ekko
though um I I because Ekko people were showing up because I wanted to see Kingpin and Dargo oh yeah
i don’t think it’ll do as well as Ekko which is unfortunate it won’t i think Iron Heart will be
that random odd thing that I I imagine will get a lot of flack and people probably might not love it
but then it I think it can be that thing of like you know what that show deserve more appreciation
that’s that show deserved a little bit i could see it becoming a bit of that cult love scrappy
underdog in Marvel like eventually i can actually see it evolving somewhat into that maybe
i just feel for Alden man that’s two for two with Disney he’s got some bad luck like I just feel
for Guy yeah i don’t know what we can or can’t say about it um but we are tune in to reacting
to it watching it it’s a show with episodes and characters and a story and visuals and sounds tune
in on the 24th for our thoughts i mean we talked we’ve talked extensively about uh that specific
topic uh I did want to acknowledge it because then as you’re talking about Fantastic 4 in this
in your comment Jay Jones Kevin Feige did confirm the events of Fantastic 4 will lead directly
into Avengers Doomsday see I think talks like this with with that confirming that it’s going to
lead directly into Doomsday the X-Men I feel like the hype around this conversation Marvel kind of
needs and I don’t really think it’s happening this is a big thing it’s obvious that it would as we
would know that like before Dr doom of course yes it would but if they’re really this this makes it
sound like this is essential viewing to watch the next Avengers movie like you have to watch this
to watch the next Avengers film the big one and I think they should really be pushing that kind
of information the the the the X-Men announcement they should really be pushing that things like
this should be kind of taking off even if it’s obvious it should be taken off things like this
should be announced at Comic- Con to be yeah in a month like putting that out there would suddenly
make it feel like there is an importance and an urgency to watch this as soon as possible i don’t
know what level they’re showing up at Comic- Con i know that Fantastic 4 is coming out the week of
Comic- Con i know that they’re not going to be there right they’re not doing a Hall panel as far
as I know i heard they weren’t but I would save an announcement like this for like oh C like I would
do a casual like at another panel like maybe an artist and writers panel i would announce it at
Comic- Con because everyone’s scouring for news like it does seem like even if you’re not going
to have a whole panel but I would like this seems like a wasted opportunity because that’s a huge
announcement could be my algorithm and it could be my current interests that are affecting it so I’ll
acknowledge that i don’t feel like the Fantastic 4 marketing has been as strong as it can be i The
biggest thing I’ve seen in the last month is a a clothing thing they did uh like they unveiled the
the the merch and they flew a bunch of creators to New York to like they literally paid for people
to go look at clothes yeah and that’s the biggest I’ve seen but that’s because a bunch of my friends
win i don’t even know if I’d see that if it wasn’t for my algorithm yeah not to sound more like a
DC shill but screw it let’s sound more like a DC shill for a movie I haven’t seen yet that’s the
brilliance of what James Gun’s been doing is he is selling the audiences too on the future he’s
selling audiences on a vision for what’s to come while promoting this one individual project and
not doubling down on Batman or Wonder Woman yet letting it be Superman’s time but acknowledging
them i think that’s great i mean this morning today Friday my interview with James Gun has
dropped on DC Studio Showcase so if you’d like to see some more quotes with me in them if you
want to see a video of me uh AI uh you know giving James Gunn that will be on my pull up age right
now greg’s only I’ve only been doing it verbally this whole podcast but I’ I’d like a visual
aid we got it i mean Grock can pull that up in 30 seconds can Oh let’s do it i’m assuming let’s
do it can you guys make that someone now has are our podcast fans our future make one of James Gun
making love with me this is He’s just inspired too much madness i’ll let you know right now if I was
on their payroll they would not let me say stuff like that that’s a fair point cuz I’m sitting here
uncomfortable james Gun himself might find that funny honestly knowing his sense of humor here
I am just navigating this minefield but anyway yeah there’s something that has been feeling a
bit lackluster about the Fantastic 4 marketing to me but again it could very well just be my
algorithm i am in a tricky spot with Fantastic 4 because of like I’m very excited for about half
of it and I don’t feel like anything I’ve seen has a suage those concerns it’s they’ve deepened and
so I keep wanting there to be marketing that has me like “Yeah Fantastic 4 is out in a month.”
and instead it feels like we get it like we get another superhero movie 2 weeks after Superman
i’m excited for Fantastic 4 but it feels kind of like a footnote and maybe they’ll double down
on their marketing in the last two weeks after Superman comes out but that feels a little late
um they’re I mean their trailers have done really well in view count the tickets on sale one got 2
million views we didn’t actually see that trailer we skipped the trailer oh I skipped it you guys
skipped it generally their trailer views tend to do pretty well i hope the movie does well i
hope the movie makes so much money like I want Marvel to have a win i just don’t feel it yet it
needs to blow [ __ ] out the water it it cannot be uh they can’t have three movies in a row
that don’t break even no they can’t do that man and and I think this looks great like the
marketing like the the visuals what man has done but it needs to do better than great like
it has to do a lot and and they’re also really pushing their a couple of their Disney Plus
shows john and I were at the Grove yesterday uh when we saw 28 years later and they um we were
noticing like the amount of Agatha all along for your consideration and Daredevil Born Again for
Charlie Cox and Vincent Denaf they were like it’s like damn what is with the insane push around this
entire shopping center for these two show i’m like I don’t feel like they’re going to get nominated
for anything um but it’s cool to see that they have faith to try yeah i feel like Fantastic
4 needs a level of push yeah and Cammy Co4 is saying um let me really quick do you guys feel
completely opposite please tell us the comments honestly like that’s a real question I’m asking
because yeah I I’m fully aware of the entrapment of an algorithm and and I also aware that I’m at
DC Studios like often so my I literally probably have that in my rhythm like as part of my tracking
yeah and I’m generally more interested in Superman so maybe the rest of you have like tons of
fit as like they might be like I’d barely get Superman [ __ ] but I get a ton of Fantastic
4 you know not trolling i would love to know like please be a litmus test not just your bias
like what are you more exposed to a thousand% um Camo for and I want to know what you think
koi saying an untitled Marvel movie has been slated to release on December 15 2028 uh what
do you think that is that makes a lot of sense why the [ __ ] didn’t I put that again right
that is so obvious like Avengers especially after all the talking we just had i’m like why
am I even asking this question it’s obviously Avengers Avengers X-Men i think I think X-Men
i think we get two Avengers movie and an X-Men movie uh cuz I think it’d be cool to have a team
movie that we know team movie that we know bring in the new team have Secret Wars set that up
have it be a big winter release have a huge opening i think it’s I think it breaks i think
it’s Yeah pretty big slam dough it’s why they mentioned that that they they have the untitled
thing and then they announce the director they got a director they got a date it’s not obviously
X-Men oh my god it’s also too big of a deal it’s obviously X-Men yeah i’d be shocked if it’s not
X-Men i think it’s an Iron Fist movie with Finn Jones finn Jones is back and he gets a movie
i got John on mic for that danny W guys Finn Finn Jones is coming back December let’s do it
baby well there’s also a nuked DC film right um I mean what did James Gun set my man James Gun
uh everybody wanted to make the movie greg’s out here trying to clean James ready to go just trying
to clean that Glock out we got invited to unload that silent we did get invited to a thing that
they said James Gun will be at like an intimate reception and I’m like I’m praying to God now
that I do i literally intimate are we talking I open this episode is like I hope James watches
and I’ve regretted it every minute i’m going to be that weird fan that’s just pulls up my phone
and be like “Hit play.” What do you think man um everybody wanted to make the movie it was
green lit ready to go the screenplay wasn’t ready i couldn’t do a movie where the screenplay
is not good i mean it sounds to me they’re talking about Sergeant Rock because that seemed like it
was good to go and then now it’s not sergeant Rock gay uh there are elements of the story that
could be gay i don’t think of the character as gay but they’re like it’s it’s a I just associate
Luca Guadito it’s going to be gay now it’s gay but like the character I could see it going that way
it’s not like part of the character that I have cannon but like he’s got a team that I could
easily fly away like fights Nazis because he’s like I got to get like this it’s the homosexual
repression of that era i’ve always thought Nazis were gay like I the leather and the the marching i
always thought that was like a way for people that were oppressed to like find a group of guys he’s
punching it down this is a movie about him coming to terms accepting his homosexual i think more gay
people join into those type of communities what communities like the like the Nazis you think wow
what a statement made oh you mean people who don’t accept that don’t accept that they are oh you mean
like the the hardcore like certain religious folk who are obviously like you know Yeah I think
that’s what it is those are two ways to go into certain controversies in the news that get buried
people because he knows certainly not that and then they go abomination yep and that leads to
more yeah i think that what you were saying you know and he could be the he could be Sergeant
Rock could be the rockar baby yeah i think Sergeant James Gun I think Sergeant Rock would
be James Buns james Buns oh yeah what do you What was the joke i used to say what do you call James
Gun’s glutes what do you call James Gun when he’s toning his glutes yeah james once i used to have
a job at DC Studio Showcase anyway um yeah but I think Sergeant Rock could lend itself to having a
commentary on Soldiers and that like environment because I think that it it was like 20 years ago
when we got don’t ask don’t tell and all that stuff could be our Broke Mac Mountain man that’s
what I’m saying in the DC universe it it could be the Spartans used 20th anniversary of Brokeback
this week yeah that’s what I mean spartans used to make love to each other and we disregarded that
in 300 entirely yeah yeah i I also think it’s like part of a culture that like thrived the Roman
Empire lasted way longer than American empire is they needed to that makes you develop the intimacy
too with people to want to protect and connect i think it should be a mandate in US armies
everybody just I hope all people we met someone yesterday Josh hey how you doing Josh who’s who’s
a from the Navy john or Marine navy the Marines marines marines m and uh yeah I would say like
Josh if you’re watching you should be making love to uh all your fellow officers simpify well you
know I mean certain armies of of the olden days thought that you would fight harder for your buddy
if you That’s what you’re saying that’s what I’m saying about the Spartans yeah exactly there you
go and sometimes I mean I was listening to you on the boat totally so it also means sometimes they
fight harder i think they should James you don’t know what you’re doing man you got to bring the
Sergeant Rock movie back movie we just wrote this idea that we don’t know if that was the movie but
boy oh boy I was excited for that movie cuz like you remember we covered Creature Commandos and I
was like “Oh my god it’s Arthur Rock.” You were like “I have no idea.” And like I was like “It’s
a character that could be really relevant and I think it’s a good way to do um a more normal story
that has crazy elements to show the range of what the DCU can be.” So the fact that it fell apart
is shocking uh I don’t know if this is what the quote is about but I’m very curious i mean the the
positive to me is that he is confirming there’s something kind of badass to me about I mean not
this isn’t a Batirl thing where they you know they did a whole thing and then they’re like bam
you can never see it yeah this is different it’s they didn’t even start shooting it or anything
how many movies get started without a script or not good and he is a man of his word and he said
he wouldn’t do [ __ ] like this and the fact that he’s that he’s like saying “Yeah we didn’t do it
because of this reason.” Yeah that’s a good sign about starcher of the DC universe that’s a great
sign side note this is the most homoerotic podcast we’ve done and that’s impressive considering three
weeks ago you were like “Look at me naked.” Or effectively you were like “Oh I got a naked one
I could show.” Do you it’s my wallpaper that’s bold it’s my goal lock screen my goal is to stay
your lock screen is just like you dial down the center to unlock it it’s like yeah I don’t have
to reach higher i just got to maintain this is it perfect this is all it needs to be anyway did you
want a gay Sergeant Rock movie like us leave your thoughts down below clayface it’s finally been
cast coy um who no one’s really talking about it either i know this guy Tom Ree Harris he’s got
a very unique look strong cheek he looks like he was made out of clay molded by the gods and
brought to life holy [ __ ] this guy’s photo oh my god who is he what’s he been in why did I do no
research a Dragon Heart movie that’s kind of crazy that we’re actually getting a Clayface movie man
i keep saying Walt Flanigan mike Flanigan wrote Yeah Walt Flanigan is his less successful brother
yep it’s a clerk’s character he’s living in Mike’s shadow walt he’s got like the string hair he’s
balding he just won’t shave just poor just doing his best looks like the BTK killer anyway um yeah
I mean I’m excited for him to to be doing this mike Flanigan said that it was really inspired
by the Batman the Animated series episode which played on the actor portrayal of Clayface yeah and
I think that’s really fun for an actor that looks like such an actor like I don’t know anything
about this dude but it’s like oh yeah that’s what an actor looks like so I’m really curious to
see what like that level of supernatural blended with Mike Flanigan’s very like he’s his stuff’s so
scary but so like supernatural and grounded so I’m really curious what that’s like with Clayface
i wonder if they’re going to use a blend of practicality and uh CGI it’s like the thing yeah
exactly i mean if they go full CGI it’ll be hard to do Clayface without CGI oh it’ll need a ton i
just hope it’s like you know in a way that feels photoreal not like too farical or too big yeah
yeah that’s that that’s kind of the odd part when you’re an actor doing a role like this is um
when you’re associated with not your actual face but but a different thing entirely that you’re
embodying yeah yeah yeah i have no idea what this one’s going to be it’s kind of crazy how quick
this is coming along yeah because it wasn’t in the original announcement and James Gun even said
this wasn’t something that they were planning and then the script was so good this is the opposite
of whatever that other project was the script was so so good we developed rapidly so you’re
saying if I write my gay Sergeant Rock movie a good enough screenplay James Gun might actually
make it sergeant oh baby the one part we got to mute we danced around a lot of words today and
he finally did get whatever time it is 1 hour 2 minutes looking at Sergeant Hard Rock right had
to put it in there just like Sergeant Rock pg-13 we’re doing so good well now I know how long we’ve
been to it’s an hour and two minutes we can do gay face oh nice nice nice we It’s in the air today
what if we get some like gay gay movies come on i mean more mainstream gay films challengers gay
face would be great actually his identity is super fluid yeah yeah nicely done we should get more
like gay movies why are people so opposed to that oh wait that’s a [ __ ] twoour conversation hello
are you trying to unpack bigotry we’ve obviously talked a lot about this before unpacked the
human condition never mind all right that’s good on the clay face one saying I think Nazis are gay
wasn’t enough for Greg all right 20 one of our top comments came in it is a really simple one from
Beat Street says 28 years later in F1 i was like “Okay what do I do with that?” Um come out soon uh
well 28 weeks later got a high recommendation from John and I you have a high recommendation as well
um I I’m very curious to see if audiences will like that the most divisive movie I’ve seen this
year i can totally imag even on the crit something to be mindful of the critic side is like even
though it’s got a high rating when you open it if you look at the actual you know numbers yeah
you’re like oh it’s a lot of lot it’s more closer to like it’s above mid but closer to mid for
a lot of people than you’d expect um so it’s not as glowing a as a high glowing as you might
think it is from initially opening like a 93% uh but for audiences in particular I’m like I’m
think film buff audiences might really love this but I mean like 28 Days Later and 28 Weeks Later
are so accessible um still even though 28 Days Later is such a strange way to capture a movie it
was terrifying it was a talk and it was the one of the first films at the time to like well this
feels so real this doesn’t feel like a movie so it was still very effective and this one is like a
strange sensory surreal or trip it’s a dream it’s like when you say nightmare it doesn’t mean just
like a horror movie it feels like a fever dream yeah i was definitely having moments of like I
feel like mildly hallucinating like it’s a lot of stimuli and like I loved it but I like weird
stuff we walked out uh a friend of the pod Jasmine i watched it with Jasmine and we literally like we
were leaving i was giddy cuz I spent the last like 20 minutes like “Oh I can’t believe this movie.”
And then like everyone around me dead silent as we walked out and there was a moment of like everyone
looking at each other and Jasmine just went that was the most koi movie ever i don’t know if anyone
else is going to like it and I stand by her review cuz that was my experience of me being like I
don’t know if people like this very much John’s flavor too dude it’s so weird i I mean John text
John never texts john is not a texter it’s just not who he is i got a text from John which is
always alarming because I’m like is everything okay okay this is exciting it’s a good text but
like I’ve texted John 17 times in a row without response and I hate texting i got a text from John
walking out of the movie going that was so what’ you say what’s your quote i said bro that movie
was nuts cuz I ranted at you as vague as I could that like you were going to love it i loved it who
else might but like to get a text from John he was in it’s strange people will walk in expecting it
to be the part three to the trilogy but really it’s definitely a part one of a new trilogy oh
they’ve green lit like what’s crazy do you know this do you know how they green lit this i mean
they they finished they’re almost done with two right now right and and three happens if one and
two do well that’s what I wanted to talk about yeah that’s what I want to talk about with F1
and 28 Days Later because both are original films i like even though this is like an IP already and
is a sequel it’s the with the way it is and the fact that Sony let Danny Bole and Alex Garland
like sure we’ll produce your like very weird society movie that feels like a strange nightmare
you had after the pandemic yeah let’s freaking do this um I’m going to go through some numbers
here f1 you gave a high recommendation to me yes yeah even that’s at 80% on Rotten Tomatoes
which is surprising to me i I don’t think it’s as good as Top Gun Maverick i don’t think it’s
as rewatchable as Top Gun Maverick i think it feels the most like I’ve felt leaving a movie
in that movie theater summer feeling since Top Gun Maverick okay so here’s I’m going to break
down some numbers for you okay F1 Brad Pitt movie $200 million production budget some reports claim
300 break even point roughly 4 to500 million if it’s $200 million $600 to $900 million if it’s
300 million opening weekend projection at time of recording this is 30 to40 million domest 30 to 40
it’s not high it’s missing a zero but the um but it’s Apple they can lose money apple can lose
and Apple right now I think really cares about getting prestige quality around their uh their
their streaming service and Apple is they’re weird because if it’s not something they think in
high regard they just put it on Apple but if it is something they love for a movie they’re like
“Let’s put it in theaters.” Can I I need to say something about Apple I’ve been thinking about
a lot you know how in every fictional narrative or daydream when people are like you know if I
had a billion dollars I would do things totally differently and we always say like I can’t believe
I feel like Apple is that crazy billionaire that actually is just like what if we just make art
i don’t need money back just make it and this F1 feels the most like I’ve ever felt like Apple’s
just like I don’t know light a pile of money on fire we’ll film it and I’m okay with it because
so many billionaires and so many rich people are stealing art and shelving art and getting tax
write offs from ruining art and Apple feels like they’re like “Yeah I got to see a cool movie.” So
like F1 is that and I like that more than I like parts of F1 and I liked F1 a lot this has to make
so much money though it’s not the like it’s not I I don’t think it’ll break even and but like I
said there’s a bigger like we’ve been talking about there’s a there’s a bigger endgame here
that they have whereas with 28 days later um the production budget is uh reported to be between 60
to 75 million so break even point is 150 and 187 million um the opening weekend projection is
currently between 28 to $45 million they both have equally steep hills to climb because that’s
th that that’s I mean I think legs-wise F1 has the summer obviously Superman’s going to dent it
Jurassic’s going to dent it all those things but like it’s going to be one of those movies that
people want to see through the summer 28 is very like a certain audience that’s an expensive horror
movie too it’s so weird it’s saying like weird and strange it’s also very much a horror movie a
thousand% i would I would not disregard that genre sometimes you walk into these horror movies
and you’re like “Okay that was a that was a drama about grief with some horrors.” You know this
is a horror movie this is like a horror movie and uh so I think like with hor and horror tends
to be pretty big but horror tends to not be made for this much money this is a blockbuster horror
budget and like I hope it has the audience because I think they deserve it and I think the hopefully
what I’m hoping is that budget includes some of two yeah yeah I’m hoping they filmed like cuz Nia
Dcasta is doing the second one and I’m a huge fan of her Candyman and it made decent money and I
think maybe if that budget includes some of two then they can look at the average yeah yeah oh
my god terrible producing skills uh our patron pal catch Marik he did say it seems like a lot
of people are saying that 28 years later is a good film just with a quite a different vibe from
the original and that it clearly sets up a bigger story ending on a cliffhanger do you think it
might hurt the box office and therefore the chance of the third movie getting financed uh yeah maybe
i don’t know i think that ending note was going to be very divisive for people and that determines
what you leave people feeling says a lot you know and and the movie has you feeling a lot and up
and down and up and down and left and right you’re like so stimulated and then it still pivots like
the movie is already so like to have the end be that crazy felt weird on top of the weird and so
but I’m excited for two because the ending I don’t want to say much uh but I mean it’s like it it’s
a it’s a bit of a tonal cell too you know that that might have people because one thing I I I I
was I was trying to forewarn people about is that some people might watch that movie and think “Oh
man what the hell it’s just a part one it doesn’t complete it.” But it does complete character
arcs yeah so it does complete the journey of of the specific story they’re telling but it very
clearly does something that’s like we’re making a part two you know and I like I mean they could
have even done that as like a postredit if they wanted to but like it’s long and great and awesome
and weird but like it’s it’s I like the swing yeah man i I want to I want to elaborate why it’s good
for the movie that they didn’t make it a postredit uh but it would definitely be a spoiler if I said
anything so I’m not going to so next Friday live maybe if someone will ask yeah yeah do it ask set
us up um do you guys think this will these will do well this is like crazy stuff i’m excited to
see how it plays out these are two crazy numbers in a crazy time for movies oh Jesus Christ but
I waited personally I waited to see both of them before I made my top 10 in the first half of the
year cuz I assumed they’d make my top 10 they’re both worthy of that they’re both great well moving
on hustel 2010 um well I forget have you seen any of the Saw movies uh one and two back when they
came out well Blumhouse should Lee Wel direct the new Blumhouse Saw movie now that he and James Juan
have creative rights again this excites me a lot so James Juan and Lee Wel two two powerhouse names
right now in the directing field uh they started off in the industry with the first Saw movie lee
Lee was in it lee Wel is the co-star and he wrote it and James Juan directed it and then it became
a massive franchise i don’t think Lee Wel stayed on right John like for anything i know James Juan
left but Lee Wel didn’t stay on either like he he wrote the first three oh he wrote the first three
oh I forgot that okay so Lee Wel’s been but Leewel eventually found his way into directing yeah
because he was mainly just a screenwriter actor for a long time and now he’s a well- reggarded
director even though Invisible Man was not the reception that people were hope not Invisible Man
Wolf Man was not the reception people were hoping for i mean he’s done Upgrade Insidious 3 people
liked Invisible Man so I think he’s done enough films to be miss he’s a pretty great director and
I think his miss like I liked Wolfman more than the average but I think even though I didn’t like
it could see merit in it i think he I think it’d be a great choice and what James Juan uh said is
that Saw holds a special place in my heart coming back to this world with a fresh perspective is
both thrilling and deeply personal for me this will mark a significant creative return to the Saw
franchise for the first time since the early days and I’m very much looking forward to embracing the
original spirit while pushing the legacy forward in bold unexpected ways i mean it kind of sounds
like a general statement that he didn’t write but it’s the PR team doing a great job telling him
yeah it’s it’s a good statement um but that that’s the weird thing with the Saw franchise and I I
think John might agree with me on this is that it seems like every Saw movie lately has been
like we’re going to take a new direction we’re going to take a new direction it’s been like
that three movies in a row and then the last one was the was the first Saw movie to get great
reviews it got great reviews it sets up a sequel um even though it’s a prequel it still sets up a
sequel and it’s the like I said it was the first one I was like “Wow this is kind of like loved
by audiences and critics this is unusual for Saw.” And now it sounds like they’re not going
to follow through with that and they’re going to start something different again that the the
the divide that I have is that at the end of the day what they did set up with the last one
is a sequel to a prequel this sounds like they wouldn’t be doing that [ __ ] so even though I’m
I’d be disappointed of them not following up I’d rather I’m I’m excited with the OGs the ones who
actually created this that doesn’t mean it’ll be good doesn’t always mean it’ll be good sometimes
you get Ridley Scott wanting to make a bunch of random sequels and then you get a Danny Boyle want
to make a weird like “All right I’m I’ll show you guys something new,” you know so I hope this is
more of the Danny Boyle and less the Ridley Scott i like that parallel and I and I think we won’t
know until it’s out because they’re such bold filmmakers they could make a bold swing that
doesn’t work or they could make a bold swing and like have a brand new soft franchise and I think
James Juan would love that like I I think we could leave we might leave Tobin Bell even that’s
that’s my point he’s not I mean how do you do fellow kids is only going to last so long that man
can only put on so many hats and try to be 20 and like James Juan you know he was doing the Aquaman
movies and in between that he did Malignant and and uh that was like such an experimental film of
his as well i think James Juan especially after what happened with Aquaman I think he’s itching
to do something that is like that’s his creative and weird and he’s got a good relationship with
Blumbhouse and these two are like clearly best friends uh I would and Blumbhouse could use the
win of a new franchise like they’re killing it but like how great would it be if they have Saw and it
takes off and there’s 10 new ones how great would it be if there’s like a cinematic universe yeah
a shared universe of of haunted dolls and Saw we did like an animated movie about that puppet yeah
we do a prequel and a sequel and a spin-off and we call it Ballerina oh I love that john Wick prequel
female sequel saws only women lady Sawer is dope though all female victims the male bad guy yeah
yeah cuz woke yeah a white buff guy yeah the guy was playing Clayface that’s him he’s so handsome
great cheekbones anyway are you guys excited for this Tom Cruz oscar Caden Finch 3343 says Tom
Cruz is officially getting some weird Oscar um they’re giving him the honorary Oscar for his
commitment to our film making community theatrical experience and to the stunts community here’s
a Can I say something first Koi please conan O’Brien is returning to host that’s a I He’s my
hero my hero no one else in the industry I would say is my hero he’s my hero tom Cruz and him once
did a bit together uh did you ever see it where they’re like driving around in a car at at his I
did i forgot about that so funny and like people forget how funny Tom Cruz can be because he’s
so like a serious he seems like such a serious crazy guy yeah but he’s a he brings the same
intensity to comedy though yeah he’s great at comedy great at comedy i what what excites me
about this is I feel like Conan would want to do some type of crazy bit with Tom Cruz i would
love to see Tom Cruz on the podcast first of all uh Conan needs a friend uh that would be our
podcast i mean it’d be great to have him here sure tom but Tim and Conan would be amazing and I
feel like this would give that opportunity and to do like bits together that’s a thing but how do
you feel about Tom Cruz getting this award uh I think that the stunt Oscar is so overdue that it
could easily start with Tom Cruz but so weird not actual stunt men i mean he is like but it’s like
let’s go with Tom Cruz but you know what I mean like I feel like this is the response to that
is we’re getting a stunt coordinator like we’re getting a stunt award finally and I feel like with
Mission Impossible coming out a lot of people be like Tom Cruz like he’s changed stunts i think
this is so that doesn’t happen i think we need to give an actual stunt like team an an Oscar so
this is a great way to have it be like that and Tom Cruz uh and I think doing the stunt thing
now aren’t that’s what I’m saying is is I’m I would be afraid that with the Mission Impossible
stunt awareness it would end up being Tom Cruz’s so it’s good to give another one to Tom Cruz cuz
he has I mean he’s done the impossible he’s the movie star that is keeping theaters open like when
you think Tom Cruz you think stunts and his love of the theater and then his movies so I think
that the Academy which is about motion picture arts and sciences should honor him like Angela
Basset got one the year after they didn’t give her one for Black Panther so like Tom Cruz should
get one after 40 years of them not giving him one he’s been nominated he’s never gotten one to my
knowledge it’s time Tom i mean we were talking last week extensively about how the way Tom Cruz
has been truly the champion for cinema how that’s influenced the way I see certain things because
of the way Tom Cruz has gone about it and has made me realize more about community in film versus
competition in film and the significance and the importance of that and how one success elevates
the other to succeed and that’s why he promotes other movie studios and other films that he has
nothing to do with yeah because he understands that it’s so much more than just his movie
succeeding it’s about everyone succeeding and so yeah I think like the the key words here about
our commitment to our film making community if someone were to say who deserves that award right
now I’m like Tom Cruz yeah undoubtedly Tom Cruz so yeah I think he’s absolutely deserving of this
i mean I find honorary Oscars a little bit like funny um but if you’re going to do it it’s a good
one to give i want to shout this out really quick youtuber Chris Stuckman his movie is officially
coming out oaks on October 3rd in theaters neon is uh distributing it they’ve doubled the film’s
budget to add more gore and violence this is one of the most inspirational things I’ve seen this
man do i’ve had the pleasure of talking to him a couple of times not on camera off camera and uh
he’s an incredibly nice guy i I am so thrilled for the fact that he he changed his YouTube channel
so he can pursue the which which led to a lot of backlash for him um I don’t know if you know
about any of this i don’t know about the backlash i I’ve met Chris a few times and I’m so happy
for him but I don’t know about the backlash uh it was that he didn’t want to do reviews anymore
for films that he didn’t like like he was very intentional about that like I do so now that he
puts up now when he puts up a video it’s like “Oh he must like this movie.” Oh that’s funny yeah
so that was part of it and he’s had like a lot of big reviews that were like clearly about not
liking stuff but that does but So sometimes she just skips reviewing stuff altogether that’s big
because he didn’t like it yeah but I think people miss that side of him but he did that because he
knows he’s going to be playing in the field with these people now and he cares more about that and
like that’s where his heart’s at and so I get it like it would be [ __ ] awkward hey good to see
you oh I totally like ripped you apart didn’t I i also I I would play devil’s advocate that like
he’s making films so he knows how hard it is so it doesn’t I mean it I I’ve been an actor i don’t
like critiquing actors so like I I’m never in a position of like I could do it better i’d rather
like not talk about it if I don’t like it yeah oh yeah i mean there’s there’s like different
opinions when you start to really see how it’s done or get involved yourself where that sense of
entitlement of how things should be done making a movie is a miracle every time so once you start
doing it you realize then you don’t want to talk crap about the ones that happen to exist so I
just want to say congrats to Chris Steman that’s amazing i would like to get an interview with
him actually that’d be fun to have on god damn it Chris tory Jerry oh perfect question for Ky uh
I’ve just now been starting to get into DC since the new Superman is coming out i’ve seen a few
movies Wonder Woman the Batman but none more than that what would you recommend I watch in order for
preparation for Superman or to watch in general as I begin my DC journey uh watch uh I would say the
Chris Nolan Batman films are pretty exceptional uh I would watch I I really liked the Suicide Squad
uh if you want to watch stuff that is in Superman tone Superman the animated series is pretty slept
on i’m a big Smallville fan uh I know the rest of the cast has referenced Smallville as their
inspirations as well so I would say Smallville is probably tonally pretty similar uh I think
the best Lex Luthther we’ve ever had is Michael Rosenbomb which is Smallville’s so if you’ve
got time Smallville is pretty dope uh I’d read uh um Superman for All Seasons i would read
Superman Birthright i would read um Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow i would read
Allstar Superman which James Gunn has referenced in his imagery and I would uh one last wreck one
last wreck um something weird i would read Animal Man it’s one of the best comics in modern comics
and it’s so out there that it might lead you to other weird comics so try one weird one animal Man
Grant Morrison i’d recommend David Aer’s Suicide Squad uh Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern Catwoman Hely
Berry um I would skip the first two Superman and hop right to Superman 3 and Superman 4: Quest
for Peace okay oh Batman and Robin i would work backwards yeah it’s better that way yeah it’s much
better that way batman and Robin that but you’re like watching prequels uhhuh then I would uh read
Allstar Superman captain America with the Ears uh I’ll say on Superman Birthright what I was telling
Koi is it is one of the few comics I’ve read that not at one point felt like homework it was so it
felt very cinematic the entire time I was reading it i kept I did not want to put it down it’s such
a it’s such a driven book it’s Pulse is awesome yeah i I I it would keep me up like I really
loved it a lot and uh it’s it’s it’s probably one of my favorite comics of all time i misqued uh
the comic I was telling you about by the way it’s Lex Luthther an unauthorized biography that’s
the title and that’s the one with the the big portrait on the cover it’s so good that makes more
sense last question of the day cody Enos uh Craig has mentioned how difficult copyright claims on
YouTube and how Patreon helps a lot if it’s okay do you mind expanding on that like if you’re doing
a franchise you know will be claimed what makes you continue to do it is watching on Patreon help
better than watching on YouTube the support of the financial part on Patreon does really help a lot
um that’s that’s the part that helps offset it uh because yeah those are like watch alongs where you
sync up but with copyright claims and stuff I mean a lot of times it’s just like a lot of fighting a
lot of battles i don’t really know how to explain it like we do we do a lot where we do like several
edits and then uh you know it’s fine like “Hey it’s good.” And then we make it public and then
they’re like claiming claiming claiming a bunch of different claims and then sometimes they hop right
to copyright strike or blocks which is a real pain in the ass we’re doing everything we can to like
abide by the rules and then YouTube changed a lot of their um ad systems which has really affected
uh the the income part of it which I don’t feel super comfortable talking about because I will
say on the smaller scale on my side I’ve lost uh 68% of my income with the ad changes so I I’m
a smaller channel on my personal page I’ve I’m down like three4s almost that’s why we really
appreciate the page we always have and Patreon saved us when it was even worse it was when it
was harder um and you guys have stuck around for so long and we really appreciate that but yeah
like it it doesn’t go unnoticed so I’m really grateful for that i I know what it’s like when
you like our our main tier is $5 and and I know what it’s like when $5 is everything and I will
never forget a situation like that so as much as $5 like it’s easy to disregard like it’s just five
bucks you know maybe that’s an easier way to sell people on a Patreon actually maybe it’s a smarter
business thing uh but for those who do contribute um starting at that tier thank you that’s what I
want to say thank you we did it we did it go holy [ __ ] we did it animated length movie done did
it that’s a lot of different stories 21 episodes and on a live stream this would take three hours
oh 100% we would not have gotten here not in this uh but next week we’re going to do a live stream
keep a lookout for that uh we’re aiming for 12:00 p.m pst and uh I hope to see you guys zer Koy
thanks for being here john thanks for holding the fort down ner Chronic thanks for editing
this peace out people wow jim carry it [Music]
SO MUCH TO BREAK DOWN!! James Gunn finally speaks out on the Superman drama, addressing everything from box office projections and power scaling to that now-infamous VFX shot and why he intentionally made Superman vulnerable. In this week’s Reel Rejects Podcast, Greg & the gang break down Gunn’s candid remarks about Marvel’s content struggles, Disney mandates, and his current Batman dilemma — including the future of the Matt Reeves / Robert Pattinson Batman, potential crossover, and why getting Batman right in the DCU is so difficult. We also cover 28 Years Later box office projections, fan reactions, and whether its darker tone and cliffhanger could hurt the sequel’s future. Plus, F1’s insane $200M–$300M budget, box office break-even targets, and the Tom Cruise hype engine. We talk Fantastic Four’s confirmed lead-in to Avengers, concern over Marvel’s Ironheart marketing (or lack of it), and the Saw rights returning to James Wan & Leigh Whannell — is a Blumhouse reboot on the way? Then the biggest news drops: Marvel Studios officially announces the director for the upcoming X-Men movie in the MCU!
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